2016 Group Build Poll

[Mark Aldrich]

While not Greg, I don't think the HMMWV series qualifies as "armored" per se. Just my 2 cents.

[Vlad Seabrook-Smith]

Its a can of worms isn't it Mark? This is why I posed the question.
Early hummers I agree, they are more akin to cars, but get to the M1114 series and they are a different beast altogether.

[Greg Beckman]

I was thinking WWII, Russian, BA-10. Yup, it's true that I have a spanking new Hobby Boss BA-10 kit, with PE for the tracks and fenders, turned barrel and Resin aftermarket tires just screaming at me every time I walk into my Hobby room.

Make sense?

[Vlad Seabrook-Smith]

So is it discounting modern vehicles?

[Olivier Carneau]

Weren't armo(u)red cars basically wheeled reconnaissance vehicles? That could narrow the scope a little bit.

[Philipp Gross]

I wouldn't mind a little broader definition. Quite a few WW2 armoured cars had variants with a more specialized role, just look at things like the Staghound AA or the various Sdkfz 234s, which were about anything from true recce to tank hunters to improvised assault guns.

As long as it has wheels and was designed from the start to be armoured I'm fine with it.

But please don't listen to me just because Gary made me the forum's High Chancellor for the duration of his absence

Philipp

[Raoul Kunz]

According to the mostest truestest internet source ever (i.e. Wikipedia ) an Armoured Car is
"A [...] a type of armoured fighting vehicle having wheels (from four to ten large, off-road wheels) instead of tracks, and usually light armour."

I'd say we go with this? It's a fairly open and not too restrictive definition that would include everything from armoured HMMWVs up to Pak40 armed 234/4s.

Just adding my two (€)cents .



Best regards

Raoul G. Kunz

[Mark Aldrich]

Just so we all understand, I do not care what is built as an armored car. That said, IMHO, a HMMWV is no more an armored car than a Jeep. Even a Jeep, with the add on armor kit was never a armored car. The M1114 HMMWV still sports a Fiberglass front end. Not very armored at all. The Otter I mentioned earlier isn't really that armored and it's Title is light recon car so that might not be eligible as well.

[Chris Smith]

That definition would allow Strykers and as I think I may have ne in the stash I'll not argue

Chris

[Vlad Seabrook-Smith]

Covering the broad spectrum I have a few candidates

Is 'armoured car'! the elephant in the room

Opens up a good discussion as there are a wide array of opinions, the bren carrier was used for recon too but that's not an A.C. the 234/4 I personally would categorise as a support vehicle, the 234/1 though


*edit* Raoul, was this the article your referring too?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_car_(military)