2017 Group Build Pt. 1: Self Propelled Guns / Panzer 38(t)

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Good point Chris. The organisational level is another can of worms...

So, how about these rules:
- Any weapon system capable of indirect fire by design, gun, missile or otherwise
- Any SP Anti-Aircraft gun or missile system

Concerning my entries, I haven't decided yet but one of these might make it:

Panzer 38(t) Ausf. S in Russian service, with the hull machine gun replaced with a DT.
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Flammpanzer 38, needs a rebuilt roof since nobody so far has figured out the correct roof layout, which was different from the standard Hetzer.
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Absolutely no idea what to do with the SP Guns, I'll decide after we reach a consensus here :lol:

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I've got a Sexton, Bishop and Archer in the stash so possibly one of those but the Meng Gepard is VERY tempting :lol: No 38(t) from me, enough on my plate already

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I suppose it's a question of design and how faithful you want to be to the build theme.

My other option at the moment for the self propelled artillery is the Russian TOS-1 MLRS system. Not really a "gun" but certainly artillery! Thinking that with my work rate and the amount of extras on the Paladin it could turn into a year long build. I've got the Trumpeter TOS-1 and ET photo etch set in the stash and thinking that my be a quicker job.... :?

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Interesting discussion. :) I reckon that self propelled artllery is a more fitting description than self propelled gun. Rather than the chassis, I think it's the weapon that determines the definition. But I also think participation is most important. Just my two cents worth. ;)

As far as the Group Build goes, I got this on the weekend. It comes with Fruilmodel metal tracks too! Should be fun I think. :D
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The Wespe is a beautiful kit, there are a few things missing on the interior however. But nothing too serious.

I've got one laying arund here ready for paint, should get to it some day :?

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Thanks Philipp, good to know. :)

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Here's what I did with mine. Tamiya used an incomplete museum piece for reference...but nothing a bit of lead wire, sheet styrene and a well-filled spares box can't solve :lol:

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As far as I'm concerned, I would include all indirect fire systems which role is to hit ground targets (that means SP guns, howitzers, mortars and rocket launchers). That's what artillery is designed for.
Anti-aircraft artillery or air-defense artillery is another story and could deserve a GB on its own.

I have a bunch of SPG/H/M in my stash (M109A6, PzH2000, 2S9, PRAM not counting the ASU-85 which I doubt fits the definition) so the most complicated for me will be the choice of the model to build. Maybe I could open a vote to help me make my decision :lol:
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Olivier Carneau wrote:As far as I'm concerned, I would include all indirect fire systems which role is to hit ground targets (that means SP guns, howitzers, mortars and rocket launchers). That's what artillery is designed for.
Anti-aircraft artillery or air-defense artillery is another story and could deserve a GB on its own.
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Fair point, though the suggestion was self-propelled guns. I have a feeling this made it to first place because it allows everyone a lot of freedom in what they want build. I don't think we should make it too restrictive, the more people joining in the better.

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